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Saturday, January 16, 2010
Haiti’s woes continue
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Mr Obama Sir is destroyng the U.S. with his out of control spending and you Sir are a fool if you cannot grasp the concept that you cannot spend money you don't have.
He will be thrown out in the next election.
He cannot speak without a teleprompter as we have seen many times.
And lastly, to call him a "satesman" is one hell of a stretch of the imagination!
So what do you have to say about 'Bush Le Fool'? Obama is trying to fix all the damages that the Homo-idiotus did. Where were u when Bush started the Iraq war and cut the taxes on the rich?
Sir, Obama is pushing a health care package no one wants. 85% of Americans are satisfied with the current system. It is only the 15% that won't work that don't get coverage. Why is he going to punish the majority to satisfy the minority?
The most important thing is jobs, the economy and terrorism. At present he has them on a back burner. He is trying to ram health care down our throats. He is doing little about jobs, unemployment, not much about the economy.
Also, he has the lowest approval rating of any president EVER at the end of his first year.
To the anonymous anti Obama character assasinator...A person would be tempted to believe you if they did not know the true statistics and epidemiological analysis of what passes for a healthcare system in the U.S. But then again middle class Americans have the uncanny ability to throw working class and under class Americans under the bus.
Secondly it was Bush that spent America into the ground, or rather he gave certain interest groups too much power and they spent America into the ground. I will not go through all the economic analysis here because its clear you are just a little hot under the skirt about Obama. Now its clear that you lived in the United states or are American because you are quoting polls of public opinion as the only guage for the effectiveness of a possible public health plan.
You should be concerned with what researchers, health practitioners,epidemiologists and yes what the public have to say. It is an holistic process.
Access to adequate healthcare is a human right and part of international treaties that the US has signed up to. Leaving 15 percent of the population without any effective access to healthcare unless they call an emergency room and another 15% or 20% without access when their insurance company refuses treatment because of cost is not only inhuman but it is a public health disaster waiting to happen. The chances of communicable diseases being bred in communities with low access to healthcare and where a visit to the doctor means forgoing food or eating low quality high carbohydrate food is well documented in the US and other countries. See the underlying causes of obesity in the US....leading to more problems for the healthcare system. See the think about public health , particularly with communicable diseases is that you can be a victim whether you are in those percentages whith little or no healthcare or you are fortunate to be among those that are fully covered. It will spread.
In the US a high proprotion of obese people, plus the baby boom generation entering the beginning of old age and lots of fraud and overcharging in the current system is going to bankrupt the country if Americans don't swallow the bitter pill now. An by the way it Chinese savers that are paying for your health plan and they are also the ones who have been extending credit to the US throughout the Bush years.
The reason Obama has to spend this money is to making saving later on. Most developed countries around the world have realised this long ago. Witness how the US gov't allowed Lehmann brothers to collapse to make the bankers pay.
Well we all know what happened there. The UK did not allow not one to collapse and nationalised where it had to. The result is less, jobs lost, less homes repossesed and a more stable economic picture.
To Obama's credit he ignored the politics and took the decision to bail out the banks.If you have ever taken a loan, a credit card or invested in futures bonds, CDOs, money markets etc... Oh and please note because of Bush's government allowed the financial sector to go unpoliced American banks export their bad debt to Europe and in some cases Asia and Russia. Ask Iceland which is a first world country that went bankrupt because it bought too many of these toxic american financial products. Ask a number of small towns in Norway that did the same. Ask the UK banks who bought them due to their special reltationship with the U.S....see where it got them.
Obama is now dealing with the mess created by Bush's incompetence at many levels of government.
If you had any understanding economic and international politics vis a vis American domestic politics you would understand the herculean effort it will take to undo the damage...both in policy and dollars. Anyone who had won th election would have to do the same things Obama is doing now because the simple fact is the the chickens have come home to roost and its time to feed them. He has to take many of the hard decisions that so many American presidents have avoided. This is the only time in the last 80 yrs that governments around the world have had to dig so deep in their pocket to support private industry and to prevent total economic collapse.
I have went on long enough. In conclusion you have no idea what you are talking about and cannot seem to make a distinction between domestic and international politics and economics and where the two meet.
Sorry for all the typos. Also to add something I forgot to write in reference to CDOs and money markets, loans, credit cards, mortgages etc...if you have taken one of those you also have some responsibility in the collapse. Its not just the bankers, although the played the biggest role. See the uncanny resemblance between the debt crisis in developing countries in the 1980s and the current melt down.
Obama has to do these things now or your economy will be toast!
Well gentlemen, I do not agree with the premise that "health care is a basic human right". You want it, you work for it. I pay for mine so you pay for yours. The U.S. is a great country because people have opportunities they don't get elsewhere. We are free.
If you ask people anywhere in the world where they want to live most will say the U.S. because everyone who is willing to work can work or open a business. We all have a shot at success.
We are not a socialist country. We are a free market society. A democracy. We vote. We don't want socialism and it isn't going to happen.
I work full time and have a real estate busness on the side. My wife works as well. We are both immigrants. I'm from Scotland and my wife is from Haiti.
Conservatives have won in Virginia and in New Jersey, both liberal states because we don't want the high taxes of Canada or the UK. Obama's policies are being rejected in every local election. Lets see what happens today in the Massechusetts election as that is the most liberal state in the union. If the conservative wins today Mr. Obama is finished.
You are pro Obama who writes books and talks well but so far has only made things worse. He has accomplished nothing.
By the way I agree that Mr. Bush caused alot of the problems we now face but how long will it be before Mr. HOPE and CHANGE will get anything done. He can't blame Bush forever can he? Where's the transpaency he promised? It's all secret meetings with him and his cronies spending my tax dollars.
At this moment the Dems do not need 60 votes for the Health care bill, the can use 'reconciliation,' they only need 51 so it's a bit too late for devolution. Forward we go.
To the guy who called me scotty chap, If they ram/force it through, ther will be a revolution at the next election because the majority of us are against the new healthcare plan. The costs are just too high. Thanks for the respect.
Too bad about the fellow who calls me names. It could have been a lively debate as I know he has a brain after such clever spelling of such a difficult word.
Well America has lost a chance to join the rest of the developed world since it's the only country without universal health care.
BTW Scotty, I live in Canada and I don't mind paying those taxes cuz I know that I'm covered and we up here are taken care of when we get sick, so it's a small price to pay.
To the Scotsman with the wife from Haiti. I see I was right about you in my initial analysis. Yes you worked hard and I know you are conservative. I am not a libleral. I do not operate in those amorphous political terms as they have no real meaning in time and space. I am an International Law and Political Analyst so the political name calling does not mean much to me. I am from the Caribbean but live and work in Europe. So you see yelling socialised healthcare does not scare me. As I actually know what the terms means and its very positive. From my observation many Americans seem to equate with political insults such as 'commie bastard'...anyhow ...never understood this fear Americans have of the word socialist.
Moving right along. I am neither pro or anti Obama because I am not American and don't get to vote. I do however analyse policies. If you notice in 'my long spiel' I admit I was inscensed and so went on a bit....I dissected for you the things Obama is facing and what he has so far done. He is the man in office after all..I cannot dissect anyone elses policy application to the current financial mess in the US.
Oh and let us all be adults here and please stop saying Obama has no substance and no policies. They are easily obtainable if you want to read them. Oh and pointing out that he actually has policies (some I agree with and some I don't) does not mean I am pro or anti anything. I am supporting based on my knowledge of international political economy and U.S. government and politics.
Now I think we are ideologically different in the fact that you seem to have a more individualist, pull your self up by your boot straps approach. Which oon the economic spectrum is actually a liberal value not an conservative one. However those terms seem to get fudged in the US.
I on the other hand while I admit to some of the boot strap sentiment realise the we were not all created with equal access to resources or with the ability to access resources available or with the knowledge of resources available to us. So some of us will end up at the bottom of the heap and prone to poverty despite our best efforts. Not to mention issues to do with race, class, gender, blah blah called 'structural violence' added to the picture. And of course there is usually that stubborn 5% of the population that economists usually identify...that despite the best efforts of government will just not take advantage of public resources made available to them...to pull themselves up by the boot straps.
So do you suggest leaving this people to perish. My dear Scotty this is the attitude that leads to festering ghettos that breed crime and other social ills that plague all of us.
Social responsibility for your fellow man is serious. So unfortunately for Obama and leaders in general they have to deal with policy and governance issues that keep you safe and secure in your nice middle class life that you have worked hard for.
You on the other hand as a member of John Public are free in your extreme individualism to only care about yourself. He need to care about the collective. That's what governance is.
I beg you to actually read the policies, read up on healthcare systems elsewhere and consider these issues without party blinders on. I am sure you are a rational idividual and that having read the information can come up with a more sophisticated counter argument to me that what you have said thus far. I am an analyst so I like people to point out possible combinations of policy variables that I many not have considered.
I do not clain to be right about everything. But I am well read and hardly partisan in the American context as my primary concern is how actual US policies affect international economy and politics. Not whihc party or or president is proposing them.
Oh and again sorry for the typos..I am writing this hurriedly...and these days I speak and write French most of the time...so I sometimes don't pick up typos unless I have read twice.
Oh and I think you may have got me mixed up with someone else on this forum. Then again there are so many anonymous poster.
Hello, I don't give a shit about America, as I think they don't give a shit about me. Forget the economics anonymous #1 you just hate Obama because he is black
My sentiments exactly, I don't care if Obama has one or half a term, the important think is a black man did the impossible, puppet or not he is your president and deal with it.
21 comments:
Mr Obama Sir is destroyng the U.S. with his out of control spending and you Sir are a fool if you cannot grasp the concept that you cannot spend money you don't have.
He will be thrown out in the next election.
He cannot speak without a teleprompter as we have seen many times.
And lastly, to call him a "satesman" is one hell of a stretch of the imagination!
P.S. No one cares what color he is
So what do you have to say about 'Bush Le Fool'? Obama is trying to fix all the damages that the Homo-idiotus did. Where were u when Bush started the Iraq war and cut the taxes on the rich?
Sir, Obama is pushing a health care package no one wants. 85% of Americans are satisfied with the current system. It is only the 15% that won't work that don't get coverage. Why is he going to punish the majority to satisfy the minority?
The most important thing is jobs, the economy and terrorism. At present he has them on a back burner. He is trying to ram health care down our throats. He is doing little about jobs, unemployment, not much about the economy.
Also, he has the lowest approval rating of any president EVER at the end of his first year.
Oh and also, it's time to stop blaming Bush and everyone else for his problems! He needs to grow up and lead. He sounds like my daughter.
To the anonymous anti Obama character assasinator...A person would be tempted to believe you if they did not know the true statistics and epidemiological analysis of what passes for a healthcare system in the U.S. But then again middle class Americans have the uncanny ability to throw working class and under class Americans under the bus.
Secondly it was Bush that spent America into the ground, or rather he gave certain interest groups too much power and they spent America into the ground. I will not go through all the economic analysis here because its clear you are just a little hot under the skirt about Obama. Now its clear that you lived in the United states or are American because you are quoting polls of public opinion as the only guage for the effectiveness of a possible public health plan.
You should be concerned with what researchers, health practitioners,epidemiologists and yes what the public have to say. It is an holistic process.
Access to adequate healthcare is a human right and part of international treaties that the US has signed up to. Leaving 15 percent of the population without any effective access to healthcare unless they call an emergency room and another 15% or 20% without access when their insurance company refuses treatment because of cost is not only inhuman but it is a public health disaster waiting to happen. The chances of communicable diseases being bred in communities with low access to healthcare and where a visit to the doctor means forgoing food or eating low quality high carbohydrate food is well documented in the US and other countries. See the underlying causes of obesity in the US....leading to more problems for the healthcare system. See the think about public health , particularly with communicable diseases is that you can be a victim whether you are in those percentages whith little or no healthcare or you are fortunate to be among those that are fully covered. It will spread.
In the US a high proprotion of obese people, plus the baby boom generation entering the beginning of old age and lots of fraud and overcharging in the current system is going to bankrupt the country if Americans don't swallow the bitter pill now. An by the way it Chinese savers that are paying for your health plan and they are also the ones who have been extending credit to the US throughout the Bush years.
The reason Obama has to spend this money is to making saving later on. Most developed countries around the world have realised this long ago. Witness how the US gov't allowed Lehmann brothers to collapse to make the bankers pay.
Well we all know what happened there. The UK did not allow not one to collapse and nationalised where it had to. The result is less, jobs lost, less homes repossesed and a more stable economic picture.
To Obama's credit he ignored the politics and took the decision to bail out the banks.If you have ever taken a loan, a credit card or invested in futures bonds, CDOs, money markets etc... Oh and please note because of Bush's government allowed the financial sector to go unpoliced American banks export their bad debt to Europe and in some cases Asia and Russia. Ask Iceland which is a first world country that went bankrupt because it bought too many of these toxic american financial products. Ask a number of small towns in Norway that did the same. Ask the UK banks who bought them due to their special reltationship with the U.S....see where it got them.
Obama is now dealing with the mess created by Bush's incompetence at many levels of government.
If you had any understanding economic and international politics vis a vis American domestic politics you would understand the herculean effort it will take to undo the damage...both in policy and dollars. Anyone who had won th election would have to do the same things Obama is doing now because the simple fact is the the chickens have come home to roost and its time to feed them. He has to take many of the hard decisions that so many American presidents have avoided. This is the only time in the last 80 yrs that governments around the world have had to dig so deep in their pocket to support private industry and to prevent total economic collapse.
I have went on long enough. In conclusion you have no idea what you are talking about and cannot seem to make a distinction between domestic and international politics and economics and where the two meet.
Sorry for all the typos. Also to add something I forgot to write in reference to CDOs and money markets, loans, credit cards, mortgages etc...if you have taken one of those you also have some responsibility in the collapse. Its not just the bankers, although the played the biggest role. See the uncanny resemblance between the debt crisis in developing countries in the 1980s and the current melt down.
Obama has to do these things now or your economy will be toast!
Well gentlemen, I do not agree with the premise that "health care is a basic human right". You want it, you work for it. I pay for mine so you pay for yours. The U.S. is a great country because people have opportunities they don't get elsewhere. We are free.
If you ask people anywhere in the world where they want to live most will say the U.S. because everyone who is willing to work can work or open a business. We all have a shot at success.
We are not a socialist country. We are a free market society. A democracy. We vote. We don't want socialism and it isn't going to happen.
I work full time and have a real estate busness on the side. My wife works as well. We are both immigrants. I'm from Scotland and my wife is from Haiti.
Conservatives have won in Virginia and in New Jersey, both liberal states because we don't want the high taxes of Canada or the UK. Obama's policies are being rejected in every local election. Lets see what happens today in the Massechusetts election as that is the most liberal state in the union. If the conservative wins today Mr. Obama is finished.
You are pro Obama who writes books and talks well but so far has only made things worse. He has accomplished nothing.
By the way I agree that Mr. Bush caused alot of the problems we now face but how long will it be before Mr. HOPE and CHANGE will get anything done. He can't blame Bush forever can he? Where's the transpaency he promised? It's all secret meetings with him and his cronies spending my tax dollars.
Thanks
'Homoidiotus' is the scientific name for an idiot of the first order, a high-class idiot.
To Scotty Chap,
At this moment the Dems do not need 60 votes for the Health care bill, the can use 'reconciliation,' they only need 51 so it's a bit too late for devolution. Forward we go.
So, like a typical liberal, if I don't agree with your view, you call me a name. Thank you but I won on truth not name calling.
To the guy who called me scotty chap, If they ram/force it through, ther will be a revolution at the next election because the majority of us are against the new healthcare plan. The costs are just too high. Thanks for the respect.
Too bad about the fellow who calls me names. It could have been a lively debate as I know he has a brain after such clever spelling of such a difficult word.
Ha!
Brown wins in Massechusetts!!! Obama is in deep trouble. The people have turned against the tax and spend and waste president.
Well America has lost a chance to join the rest of the developed world since it's the only country without universal health care.
BTW Scotty, I live in Canada and I don't mind paying those taxes cuz I know that I'm covered and we up here are taken care of when we get sick, so it's a small price to pay.
To the Scotsman with the wife from Haiti. I see I was right about you in my initial analysis. Yes you worked hard and I know you are conservative. I am not a libleral. I do not operate in those amorphous political terms as they have no real meaning in time and space. I am an International Law and Political Analyst so the political name calling does not mean much to me. I am from the Caribbean but live and work in Europe. So you see yelling socialised healthcare does not scare me. As I actually know what the terms means and its very positive. From my observation many Americans seem to equate with political insults such as 'commie bastard'...anyhow ...never understood this fear Americans have of the word socialist.
Moving right along. I am neither pro or anti Obama because I am not American and don't get to vote. I do however analyse policies. If you notice in 'my long spiel' I admit I was inscensed and so went on a bit....I dissected for you the things Obama is facing and what he has so far done. He is the man in office after all..I cannot dissect anyone elses policy application to the current financial mess in the US.
Oh and let us all be adults here and please stop saying Obama has no substance and no policies. They are easily obtainable if you want to read them. Oh and pointing out that he actually has policies (some I agree with and some I don't) does not mean I am pro or anti anything. I am supporting based on my knowledge of international political economy and U.S. government and politics.
Now I think we are ideologically different in the fact that you seem to have a more individualist, pull your self up by your boot straps approach. Which oon the economic spectrum is actually a liberal value not an conservative one. However those terms seem to get fudged in the US.
To Continue
I on the other hand while I admit to some of the boot strap sentiment realise the we were not all created with equal access to resources or with the ability to access resources available or with the knowledge of resources available to us. So some of us will end up at the bottom of the heap and prone to poverty despite our best efforts. Not to mention issues to do with race, class, gender, blah blah called 'structural violence' added to the picture. And of course there is usually that stubborn 5% of the population that economists usually identify...that despite the best efforts of government will just not take advantage of public resources made available to them...to pull themselves up by the boot straps.
So do you suggest leaving this people to perish. My dear Scotty this is the attitude that leads to festering ghettos that breed crime and other social ills that plague all of us.
Social responsibility for your fellow man is serious. So unfortunately for Obama and leaders in general they have to deal with policy and governance issues that keep you safe and secure in your nice middle class life that you have worked hard for.
You on the other hand as a member of John Public are free in your extreme individualism to only care about yourself. He need to care about the collective. That's what governance is.
I beg you to actually read the policies, read up on healthcare systems elsewhere and consider these issues without party blinders on. I am sure you are a rational idividual and that having read the information can come up with a more sophisticated counter argument to me that what you have said thus far. I am an analyst so I like people to point out possible combinations of policy variables that I many not have considered.
I do not clain to be right about everything. But I am well read and hardly partisan in the American context as my primary concern is how actual US policies affect international economy and politics. Not whihc party or or president is proposing them.
Oh and again sorry for the typos..I am writing this hurriedly...and these days I speak and write French most of the time...so I sometimes don't pick up typos unless I have read twice.
Oh and I think you may have got me mixed up with someone else on this forum. Then again there are so many anonymous poster.
Hello, I don't give a shit about America, as I think they don't give a shit about me. Forget the economics anonymous #1 you just hate Obama because he is black
My sentiments exactly, I don't care if Obama has one or half a term, the important think is a black man did the impossible, puppet or not he is your president and deal with it.
By the way Chastanet is destryoing the poor St. Lucians with his expensive groceries
Yeah, I can't wait for the new supermarket. I hope he eh have shares it it
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