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Could it be that Mangal witnessed no injustices between 1997 and 2006? Because we certainly did not hear his voice then. During that time he was for all intents and purposes a moo-moo.
Look Mangal, if you want to speak out, by all means do so. It your RIGHT. But spare us all the chest-beating and moralizing. We know differently.
What do you or we know differently?
Please Henry!!!
Why don't you first find out how many of Kenny's supporters are being housed at the Stadium. Why don't you bring your rudeness to the family those sick people? Why don't you tell them that you believe that sports is more important in this time of national crisis than their love ones.
Why are those lABOUR BOYS always kicking themselves in the Arse? They look for issues where there is none. In the end instead of gaining an edge they simply look so foolish.
They should have left this subject alone. This thing is like a hot patat in their hands.
Praise God kenny government built the stadium, remember your so called government use to call it WHITE ELEPHANY? His supporters has a right right to treatment, because he was looking out for them and ALL of us ST LUCIANS. We must remember that!!!!!!!!!!!!!
The labour boys with the support of us St Lucians, will kick this incompetent government in the arse, once and for all in the next two years. The labour boys have full right to talk today because they provided alternatives for us in St Lucia, which the uwp did not provide in 30 years. For now we would have had TWO BRAND NEW MODERN HOSPITAL BUILT, so our sports stadium would NEVER have been used as a hospital.
why does politics have to sip into everything. How selfish of YOU Mangal. SHAME ON YOU! Do you even give a damn about the trauma that those who have been forced to relocate are dealing with... Now they have to feel like you the oposition want to evict them from their temporary home....SHAME ON YOU! My next question, since when Gov't has every given a rat's arse about sports? If you are looking for notice, please find another topic to argue....THANK YOU!
Now Mangal is the issue, typical St lucians, why do we always have to forget the message and focus on the messenger? The opposition do not want to evict anyone, they just want them to be placed in an alternative venue eg. the new mental hospital. Which government that do not care about sports, i know it is not the SLP because they provided us with the facilities. Maybe the uwp do not care about sports because they never try to provide us with good facilities.
What Stadium did Kenny build. You not talking about the crap that was build with bad materials and had to be reinforced and fixed completeky by the Taiwanse?
Thank god for these people because today we would not be able to house the hospital in there. Who knows that faulty construction could have caved in on people who are already sick.
Just remember, everything Kenny build had to be reinforced. Take this as a clue.
Go ahead Labour Boys continue to kick yourselves in arse. No one is stopping you. MAKE OUR DAY . LOL
IDIOTS!
If it was Henry's mother sick, I wonder if he would say that too. People are sick and dying and all we are concerned with is people kicking balls in a net.
Give me a break !
Mangal you still continue to ne the same arse and party hack that you have been from the start, still waiting for a call to a ministry, so I guess you have to sing for your supper. Kou-yon
People let us stop running away from the point, how did kenny became part of the conversation, he never made a statement about stadium or hospital so let us keep him out of that. we must also get our facts right, the only thing the taiwanese did to the stadium was to upgrade the TRACKS and a facelift (painting). the Stadium was NEVER caving in. There was no faulty construction at the stadium. If Kenny did not build the stadium, who did? It was Odlum who got it from China. Yes kicking balls in a net, because we do not know the value of sports to a nation health, the same health we are talking about.
Mangal will not be singing for his supper for very long, in two years he will cease singing.
Why dont these idiots read.
Mangal indicated in his article clearly
"I will never advocate for the care of sick people to be jeopordized for sports or any other cause,and this is certainly not at issue in this case"
Since when asking them to move to another location where the same services can be provided is jeopardizing the care.Maybe when they move to the new hospital when it is built it will jeorpardize their care.
We continue to accept excuses for those lazy government officials who refuse to properly explore an alternative. MacDonald talks about noise what noise that is a flimsy excuse. That noise excuse is pure crap. Enter a Freezone building or a factory shell when a jet lands and take off and come back and tell me the noise level.Take into consideration the wind direction and location of factory shells you will realize the noise they are talking about is a hoax. Victoria Hospital and Tapion hospital is also close to an airport.Can this guys tell us how many flights we have at Hewannora daily and how many flights they have on Sundays when it is heaviest.
Those of you who keep putting your petty party politics must deal with the issue at hand.If the Stadium was not there those lazy officials would have find an alternative. to them it is always too expensive to spend on the health of our people. the issue is the government can spend close to 2 million dollars on an enquiry to make political points, but they cannot find the money for the peoples health? These are the same people, had they taken proper care of St. Jude's and who did not insure the peoples hospital. All of a sudden they care and Mangal is insensitive.
Come on get the political mote out of your eyes and deal with the issue.
The person who referred the stadium as the crap built with bad materials is an idiot
there was absolutely no work done by the Taiwanese on the section occupied by the hospital. the crap is housing the hospital now you ignorant idiot.the Taiwanese only replaced the track which was not certified and the covering of the stands and the rusts caused by sea breeze and lack of proper maintenance. So get your facts right.
sorry they repared sections of the covering and railings in the stands
The crisis was immediately after the fire and putting things in place.The crisis should not last 18 months. The crisis should not last more than 6 months maximum
The government will not give a rats arse about sports because people like you dont give a rats arse about sports.I wonder why it took almost forever for a St. lucian to make the West Indies side, when Dominica, Antigua, Grenada,Nevis, St. kitts, Anguilla, St. Vincent had test cricketers long before us.That is because of people like you and those insensitive government officials who dont give a rats arse about sports like you.
So why did they move from the school. maybe they should have stayed at the school and tell the students to postpone their Education. How does that sound to you people.
Reid went on press conference and say he spoke to the Associations and the President of an Association indicated he knows nothing about that and as a matter of fact he is seeking a meeting to discuss the issue. Poor Reid.
So why must it be a win lose situation, why cant it be a win win situation.
spend the money, renovate somewhere else where the hospital can be relocated within 3 months at most.And health will have a temporary facility acceptable to them until the new hostpital and the sports people can get thoer facility by March next year would deprive the sports people of 6 months instead of 18 months.
But again it seems most people love the money more than the people.
"People sweeter than money"
"Moon Doo pasay l'argent"
That says a lot about us.
How you ever expect St lucian to make the West Indian team with a government like the uwp was ruling St lucia for 30 years.
They can use the new mental hospital.
Ah! Now you'll giving credit where credit is due. George Odlum is responsible for all the things that you'll giving credit to Kenny for.
It was George's idea to switch from Tai to China and its a known fact that at the time Kenny was not too hot about the idea.
Thank you George, the same guy that Kenny and the SLP refuse to have the stadium named after or give any recognition for what Kenny falsely claim was a "genius" idea on this part to bring in China. Assa fair moon garday con coyoon!
Once again, comments here seem not to be interested in finding an amicable solution. I think it is partly due to the tone Mr. Mangal took in the latter part of his submission. However, the substantive matter has to be finding the most amicable solution to meet our health and sport needs for the immediate future (2-3 yrs). I would like to suggest the following, which I wrote in response to another blog, related to the matter.
"The fear is that the whole agenda for national sport is going to be put on hold for a prolonged period. The suggestion - that works on a modern hospital will be completed in 18 months, is dubious, considering that the site hasnt even been properly prepared and a tendering and selection process for a contractor has not begun. At best, we might expect a health facility completed in 24 to 30 months.
I think the government has to strike a balance in the matter. I will offer free advice on the matter.
The approach should be three pronged:
1. Use one wing of the Stadium as a temporary polyclinic, providing primary care, out-patient consulting, physiotherapy, pharmacy and other basic healthcare services. This polyclinic should have extended opening hours 0800 - 2200 hrs and open on Saturdays also.
2. Convert a factory shell at La Tourney to serve as an Acute Care Centre where accident and emergency services/surgery, maternity, dialysis and core allied supports (lab, X-Ray & Diagnostics) can be provided. This will facility will not be expected to handle any long-stay patients.
3. As suggested by a previous contributor, the new Mental Wellness Centre should be utilized to provide additional ward space for patients requiring admittance. The immediate purchase and reassignment of more ambulances to support the south should assist in compensating the absence of a full fledged hospital in the south.
This proposal ensures that core services will remain in the south and in close proximity to the population catchment, reduce the need to convert to much temporary space for the use of the hospital, and maximize existing space (e.g. Mental Wellness Centre). Upon completion of the new and improved St. Jude's, the retrofitted factory shell can become the polyclinic servicing the primary care needs of Laborie/Vieux Fort and the wing of the stadium used as the polyclinic in the interim can revert to something sporty, like a sports academy. In the interim (next 2-3 yrs), athletes and clubs will continue to have use of the George Odlum Stadium and as much as possible large events should be scheduled on weekends. I cannot see why this joint use should not be able to be undertaken, provided that both do not completely monopolize the facility. Soundproofing of certain rooms at the temporary polyclinic should also be considered as a mitigation method.
This is nothing more than callous political opportunism.
"several complaints ... from Athletes and Footballers" are supposed to justify what expenditure to move to a factory shell, Mr. Mangal? Put out some numbers so we can see how much of our national resources you think should be spent so that a few athletes can perform in the bowl of a large stadium.
The more people try to explain and try to put up a good agrument, the more people like the last post try to say things that does not make sense about cost. Everything comes with a cost, we had an emergency on our hand , now we talking about cost. Somebody said it was George who was responsible for all the things we give Kenny credit for. That also does not make sense, because Odlum did not do anything on his own, he was working on behalf of the government, with the blessing of cabinet discussions, so no one minister should get the fame for government works which falls under his ministry. As a matter of fact most of the work that was done by the SLP , George was already out of the government.
thank you ixi lixi
at least here is a suggestion worth considering.instead of these one sided comments with political biases.
It is sad to see such an Idiotic comment after such a positive contribution.
the resources of the country are for the people and both the sick and the sportsmen and women are people. such people just want to make the issue a sports VS Health debate and that is not the issue.
such people have regard for the youth and we wonder why the youth rebel.there needs to be a rewiring in the heads of such people.
government is responsible for every sector and a serious effort must be made to address this issue
Such people have no regard i mean't
Why do we have to make this a kenny, SLP, UWP, or Odlum issue?
That is right, some people never seem to learn.
This is a lie. Those who know the truth know that George began having talks with the Chinese behind Kenny's back.
At the time the Taiwanese called George into his office and offered him a blank check. They told George that they are willing to give the new government whatever they wanted in order to get Taiwan in St Lucia.
George on his own without the knowlege of Kenny open talks with the Chinese. It was very late into the talks that Kenny was informed.
What does that tell us? Every body in Labour was doing their own thing. Kenny was negociating Rochamel without the knowlege of his government and George was negociating with the Chinese without the knowlege of Kenny.
The switch to China was a George invention and influence not Kenny. He was just a late party to the idea.
Go ask around in your inner circle and you will uncover the truth.
Idividuals like Mangal known for their politically bias should have stayed out of that conversation. Someone with more credibility than him should have taken up the issue.
You see, once Flambeaus see people like Mangal opposing something, the first thing which comes to mind is politics.
Some people are people are so tainted politically that others have basically tuned them out.
I have come to realize over the years that when, in a debate, one side has no credible counter-response, they attempt to label the opposing argument as stupid, idiotic, etc.
Yes, the resources of the country are for the sick and the sportsmen, but it is a telling manifestation of our character how we prioritize the use of those resources.
If resources were endless or bountiful, there would be no debate.
Let Mr. Mangal put forth his case in the most practical manner that he is capable. Will the factory shell serve the sick and infirm just as well or better than the use of the stadium? How much more stress is he willing to impose upon them to allow the sportsmen to use the stadium? What will it cost to provide an alternative temporary hospital facility? What is the discomfort to the sporstmen to use alternate facilities? How many sportsmen are affected and to what degree?
What truth do you know? You only spreading propaganda about kenny did not know George spoke to china etc. What i know is as soon as SLP won the election they sent notice to the Taiwanese that they will not have diplomatic with them. The only time things were done behind people back, was when Bruce Tucker signed diplomatic relations with Taiwan unknowing to s very sick Compton. Remembered he was fired for that, but you want to say it was the SLP who did not know what one another was doing. Janice Compton say she has the evidence of the deal. So go back with that, not all St Lucians have short memories.
I do believe that health is a priority over sports, but I also beleive that better can be done without sacrificing sports. We always want to put sports and the youth and the bottom of the list. Look at the boys training centre? We cannot find money but we can find money to give Ramsohoye and company. that is priority.
It can cost almost 2 million dollars like Ramdohoye cost us, but we have difficulty in spending it for the health of the people and also for the sports people. No, to you it is too expensive and money is not bountiful. When elections come around the parties spend millions just to convince us to vote for them so they can work in our interest. But when the times come to work in our interest resources are not bountiful.Yes think of resources and unbalance the people.
Thousands of sportsmen and young people will be affected. We believe it is ok to kill the dreams of the youth. and we complain about the indicipline and lawlessness of the youth. We will reap what we sow.
I wonder why when the senior games are held at the stadium it is filled with young and old supporting, yet when the young are there it is practically empty. where are the adults to support the youth.Yet the youth were there supporting them. this is indicative of persons like you who believe it is ok to deprive the youth for thier facility for such a long time.
Have anyone been held accountable for not insuring St. Jude's. maybe MacDonald should answer that as a former PS of health.
why can't they modify the factory shelf and make it comfortable?
It cost too much. No they want the easy way out.
So because people like Mangal have a political bias his points have no merit. Typical cop out.Most St. Lucians have a political bias and that is a fact. the hypocrites are those who pretend to be neutral,have a bias and hide it.
We refuse to look at the arguments put forward and instead focus on the messenger. I wonder how such people will survive in the court of law.The country belong to all of us whether UWP, SLP or Independent.
SLP likes communism.
Where are you going with your old cold war mentality
our health services would have been in a mess if SLP did not take on the Cuban scholarships to train our own doctors. now the UWP is embracing what they rejected a long time ago and even hug the scholarships for some of their spoilt people who want free education but cannot survive hard times and they run back home
Define Communism
If they liked communism so much UWP would have not been in office.
they abided by the democratic process.
stop playing the old outdated communist card here
SLP love communist but but now the uwp ministers are running up to Cuba, what do they like?
Kenny wanted to change the constitution so he can be PM for life.
UWP ministers running to Cuba? Ahem. Why don't both SLP and UWP give George Odlum credit for this. He took as right into the arms of Castro and direct to China. This was not Kenny's idea. It was George's.
Give praise to GEorge Odlum not the SLP or the UWP.
Why can't we type something sense able instead of spreading propaganda, anyway i prefer Kenny to be president for life any day than what we have passing as government in St lucia today. Go to www. htsstlucia.com and hear a mini star speak, your Guy Joseph "when your car mash up ..........." etc. what a shame, me as a nothing could take heart.
what is this a joke
which constitution Kenny wanted to change?
I know he wanted to change SLPs constitution and change it. but definitely not the St. Lucia constitution.
People, people, you beating your drum and dancing to your own music. Nobody ever ask which constitution Kenny wanted to change, we all know the SLP as a party changed their constitution to allow Kenny to be their leader, because they were satisfied with his leadership, it was a party discussion, he could not have done it by himself. SLP is not a one man, yes sir party as the uwp was with Compton, because there are to many bright people in the SLP. That is why Compton always hand pick a leader, when he have to leave. Kenny is in no way involved in constitutional change, because the process is on going, so get your facts straight.
SLP is a one man show. That one MAN is Kenny and Tony. He walks out of the house and the goats follow him. He demand a change in the SLP constitution and the goats gave it to him. He mismanage the money of the state of St Lucia and he told the goats to say that it is ok, and they say, yeah BOSSMAN, don't mind the rest of St Lucia you know how to count money.
SA SA Yeah? Not a one man party????
If SLP is a one man party, then that one man should be called SUPER or BIONIC MAN, to do so much in St Lucia alone in 9 years. SLP is the only party that ever mismanage St Lucia money. I want an honest person to list the amount that uwp has mismanage in St Lucia. Governing a country is not easy, mistakes will always be done.
Roachamel was a very very expensive mistake.
I can tell some you bloggers got your education at a junior sec tht compton built. Typical of the flambeau, when they are cornered like rights what they do, they do what rats do.
What happen to the thing compton built in his 30 years why you could not use it now, oh my bad he did not build anything, just destroyed young women's virginity
It was the schools the compton build that made it possible for you to be talking crap today. Had it not been for Compton here would have been no Kenny.
Talk about taking peoples virginity?? Why don't you ask those homos in Labour how they lost theirs? It sure wasn't Compton? It came from within the SLP itself. Go fiquire.
Again let me remind you that Rochamel was not a mistake. It was an attempt to deceive. This is what this whole thing was all about. A mistake is when you do things that were not intended. Dishonesty and deceit is when you do things that you knowing are aware is wrong.
This is the difference and stop jerking us with your useless comments.
We must say praise God for SLP, where would your flambeau put the St Jude patients if the SLP did not build the stadium? After 30 long years in office your flambeau left St Lucia in a mess, school places had to rationed, no proper sports facilities, no proper hospitals mental or general, no proper prison, no proper police stations, no proper fire stations, no forensic lab, bad roads, not enough office space for government workers. etc, etc. Right now they are back in office after three years cannot implement one thing from three budgets.
What will you call all the scandals this worthless uwp government are involved it for the pass three years? We will call them HONESTY.
I wonder how much you're being paid for your stupidity, I guess stupidity pays nowadays.
Talking about stupidity, do you know most people from caribbean and wider who was following the progress in St Lucia and know what was going on. They all found St Lucians to be very stupid for the mistake they made by changing the government which was developing the country by leaps and bonds. No country would have changed a government that was working, to elect one that has the country at a standstill. Praise God their time is running out very fast.
kenny wanted to change the law to make himself a lifelong prime minister ..... lol lol lol ...... UWP PART HAXX! LOL
If you think just a little before you type, you will notice your typing does not make sense, because if Kenny had changed any law to be PM for life, how comes he is not in power today? That said i prefer Kenny to be PM for life 100 times, than what we have passing for government today in St Lucia. What will make Kenny PM for life is the poor performance of this government, not any law.
Why don't you go marry Kenny?
People first of all, we can't move patients from VF to the wellness center because we have an int'l airport and with out a medical facility close by under airport regulations it will have to be close. Or the category would be downgraded from a category 9, which UVF is. That basically means it can handle anytime of plane emergency and aircraft. The factory shells by the airport might not be able to be used because you can't have planes landing so close to a hospital, the noise etc. Then you might have the problem of medical equipment messing with the Tower and ATC communications. The same way you can't use a cell phone in a hospital. Then to go doing a temporary hospital it might be extremely costly.
People first of all, we can't move patients from VF to the wellness center because we have an int'l airport and with out a medical facility close by under airport regulations it will have to be close. Or the category would be downgraded from a category 9, which UVF is. That basically means it can handle anytime of plane emergency and aircraft. The factory shells by the airport might not be able to be used because you can't have planes landing so close to a hospital, the noise etc. Then you might have the problem of medical equipment messing with the Tower and ATC communications. The same way you can't use a cell phone in a hospital. Then to go doing a temporary hospital it might be extremely costly.
A flambeau should not bring up the homosexual argument since as a nation we have agreed to leave the subject alone just for the sake of not discriminating and to show some respect to our present PM
The contribution before the last, i always say people should think before before they type because you are are controdicting yourself. You said in one breath that we cannot move the patients move from VF to the wellness center, because we have an Int. airport and we need a hospital nearby. In the next breath you said the factory shells are to close to the air port, so we cannot have a temporary hospital there . I have been overseas i have never seen any hospital near any airport. There should be no problem as i am concerned about distance from VF to Castries, as this is just supposed to be a TEMPORARY arrangement, in the mean time as St Jude is being constructed. All we must have is a proper transportation system, both air and land from VF to Castries, if there is a mass accident. As far as i am concerned, St lucia is only 27 miles long and nowhere is far in St Lucia, compared to places like the U.S.A.
I am not political. Scenario – Mangal, if we had a severe hurricane would you say the same?
You really going to compare lets say an Airport like JFK to an airport in St. Lucia?. Watch the terrain of St. Lucia and how many emergency vehicles we have and hospitals. God forbid a virgin 747 has an emergency 416 passengers on board how fast you expect ambulances to drive from VF to castries???. Before we even go there the IATA,ICAO and different organizations like the FAA,BAA and ECCAA won't allow that. Full stop.
Garson stop being stupid, God forbid if an airline has an emergency with 416 passengers will the stadium built for sports be adequate to receive them? My point is the mental hospital should be used to house admitted patients, i also said people could be transported by air, less critical patients could be driven, because it take less than an hour from VF to Castries, if there is an emergency like the one you are talking about, all hands should be on board, ambulances from all over the country, have to be involved, we have many ambulances in St Lucia. REMEMBER this is only TEMPORARY as St Jude is being built. And we must stop bring that "IF" like somebody say if we had a hurricane, not taking in consideration that the stadium could have been distroyed also. I will also say praise God for the SLP that they built the stadium and the mental hospital so that we could have this discussions for alternative venues today.
All he organizations you mentioned ITA,AAR.PPQ, SSD,BBA etc,etc are they helping St Lucia build a hospital?
Seem's likr you'll still don't get the point. Under those organizations rules, if there isn't a medical facility close enough the airport category will be downgraded from a category 9. Meaning aircraft that fit in the category 9 like British Airwyas b777 and Virgins B747 won't be able to land. You don't have the facillities they won't land. Last week there was a strike in Jamaica the Emergency workers at the airport in MBJ were complaining they had to downgrade it from a category 9 to 8 till they got more staff to man the crash hall.
They not helping St. Lucia build a hospital but without them your economy is in deep shit how about that?. No planes land no tourist. You'll only watch it from one point of view.
Yes, we have to follow the saftey rules but some people are so politically motivated they just can't see any difference. Rules are rules, the airport can also be used for an emergency landing for planes passing by and they would need a hospital there.
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