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What makes you think that it didn't play out exactly as intended?
I really don't know why we continue to fool ourselves. Taiwan will always be seen as a renegade province by China, just as Hong Kong and Macau were never stopped being seen as China. Taiwan will eventually be subsumed into a China in some form or fashion. Taiwan is becoming more and more integrated with China and as China becomes a super power within the next 40-50 years it will be hard for Taiwan not to bow to a China just as rich as it is. With a growth rate of 8% per annum, China's wealth will double in size every decade. What were we thinking when we decided to slap the next super power and the country with the largest reserves of US currency in the world, in the face?
Taiwan bribed the ministers with cash, that is the reason we end up with Taiwan. You think an ex con like Tucker would refuse the millions from taiwan? You believe they were thinking about St Lucia?
Taiwan has had such a positive impact on St. Lucia, perhaps because their macroeconomic policies are closer geared to small island states than a big country like China?
How has St. Lucia benefited from China's presence here? Increased Chinese restaurants, increased Chinese imports, an under utilised stadium, and a half-built hospital violating several building codes done with prison labour.
Was it not the Taiwanese who upgraded the Cultural Centre?
Educate me, I am ignorant.
@ Zeigy
First, I eat at these Chinese restaurants. They offer value-for-money and add to the available variety of cuisine. What's wrong with such a diversity and affordable choice when it comes to food?
Secondly, what's wrong with sourcing cheaper and more direct imports? Isn't that the whole point of trading agreements? Sell what you can and get what you need at a cheaper cost?
Thirdly, although not greatly publicized China was involved in some agricultural projects just like the Taiwanese. I think perhaps the Government of the day was not vigorous enough in tapping into the vast expertise and resources of the Chinese. That said, there were projects in mushrooms, students got opportunities to study in China similar as it is with Taiwan.
Lastly, I don't know where you got your information about the Taiwanese building the "Cultural Centre" we currently have. Have you even been to the "Cultural Centre"? Its a cheaply built factory shell which is wholly inadequate to our needs today. For that matter, I don't know what you meant by the Taiwnese "upgrade" because I was not aware that the cultural centre was ever upgraded. Perhaps you're confusing this with the whole matter of the Chinese having agreed to build a new National Cultural Complex and the Taiwanese promising that they would continue the project.
Yes, and just for the record, in terms of free Infrastructure, it was a Goods Distribution Free Zone in VF, a 8,000 seat stadium with ample space that it can now cater for St. Jude's in its lower floors, and a Psychiatric Hospital that was 85% complete when the Chinese were effectively slapped in the face by the current administration.
Yes it is good to educate these St lucians who prefer to make up propaganda, just for cheap political reasons, instead of learning the truth. How can any country ever benefit more from Taiwan than from a rich supper power like china? China was to build the new general hospital after they had completed the mental hospital. Then they had to build a new cultural centre, because the cultural centre we have now is not adequate. The Chinese was about to give us $100 million towards our budget, i do not know if it is $ U.S. somebody inform me. I do not know where people get the idea that the buildings which the Chinese built had code violations, propaganda as usual. The tracks at the stadium was to be upgrade to international standard, but is was a gift, so we cannot complain, the main thing is that we have it. There was no problems with the mental hospital. The Taiwanese have never given us such a structure, all they did was to complete the project.
I seriously think we should stick with Taiwan. Taiwan developed rapidly to become an industrialized nation within a short space of time, just like Singapore.
Taiwan's economic policies would be more appropriate for small island nations than colossal China's economic policies. It's unfortunate that Dominica chose to sever relations with Taiwan. Shortly after they did so China gave a large injection of money to their economy. What good is increasing the money supply to such a high degree in such a small nation? Instead of developing Dominica you end up creating a dependent nation (re-colonization?).
Would China have been so active in the Caribbean were it not for Taiwan's presence here?
We cannot make ourselves into whores here in the Caribbean, switching diplomatic relations when someone waves money in our face even though we need to beg for money sometimes. Plus, an important part of a nations development is the pride the people have for their country and the effort they are willing to put into seeing that dream of first world status realized.
zeigy, we all know you are in love in Taiwan, i do not know why, but i believe is because you also love the party who chose Taiwan. The bottom line is China is, was and will always be a better help to us in St Lucia. Now the Taiwanese are forced to complete the big projects started by the Chinese, but the little projects like building a little wall here and there, constructing concrete courts, giving us a few computers, planting flowers, and growing a fish pond in Union could be done by the government. But the government would be hard pressed to build two hospitals, stadium, provide $100 million towards our budget or a modern cultural complex without help. That is where china becomes essential to us. Do not make it seem as though China is making us look as whores and Taiwan do not do the same. If you come to St Lucia now to hear and see, EVERYTHING this government has to do, your PM King or queen as he is called, will say i have to discuss it with president Chou first for his approval and financing. Chou even get himself involved in our local politics, by making press responses to the leader of the opposition. You will swear chou is an elected member of this government because he is the one making statements on policies on behalf of this semi literate government.
Which is my point exactly. China wouldn't have a problem giving us 100 million dollars because their economy is so much bigger than ours. The question is is that a problem for us?
Answer:
The policies that China uses to develop their country will not be the same policies that would develop our country because China has economies of scale among other things working in its favour.
Besides, Taiwan has a GDP of US$390 billion dollars. $100 million dollars is only 0.02% of that figure. You still think Taiwan has a problem giving that kind of cash to St. Lucia? They have probably asked and answered that question already and are simply helping to develop the country the way they see best.
How could we insult a nation as awe-inspiring as Taiwan, regarded as an economic miracle. Such petty issues such as, "Oh! Taiwan bribed our politicians," this needs to stop. You have a brilliant nation only seeking our friendship in exchange for their economic knowledge. We need to be more appreciative.
And lastly, if you are seeking to pin me as political hack then at least try to pretend to be speaking from an unbiased standpoint by calling King a Queen.
Down with communism plain and simple, it's modern slavery. We cannot go from one slavery to a next.
When Taiwan give each minister $1 million cash in their hand, and there is no mechanism in place for them to account for it, what do you call that, is that not bribery? I never called you any political hack, i do not believe in that word, as a matter of fact i do not know what hack means. It is a disgrace to have a semi literate like King as our PM so i will call him queen any day, the man cannot even move a proper motion in the house, Kenny have to be correcting him most of the time, with the help of the speaker. Show me where i am bias. Stop talking about what Taiwan have no problem giving us, when it comes to the $100 million, start talking about what they are actually giving us. i am glad they are giving us, but i mentain China could help us BETTER.
I've stated why I think Taiwan is better than China.
What makes China better than Taiwan?
China uses it's own people like slaves to make money.
I know you think Taiwan is better, but it is proven and we all know China is a better help to us. I have also gave you the reasons.
I never stated which country is better, i do not care about that, what i care about is which one that HELP us better. The whole world know the answer is China, ask the U.S.A where they go for help, certainly not Taiwan!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Why are we so concerned about the propaganda of slavery in China, when we ourselves are decendants of slaves.
Because who feels it knows it, we don't like slavery or anything close to it.
I know for sure the Chinese are living better with a higher standard of living than us in St Lucia. So why should we worry about them?
How am I supposed to know who said what when all of you all call yourselves Anonymous!?
I'll respond to the post with the most exclamation marks.
Youth, listen to me: In choosing our allies, throughout the birth of this nation our so called allies have always had some ulterior motive besides a pure interest in our development.
Japan gave us a fishing complex, they wanted us to give them votes to prevent a ban on whaling. The US gave us cheap loans and aid in the 70's and 80's, we needed to keep the USSR out of the Caribbean, China sees Taiwan in the Caribbean, China wants to come here too.
Taiwan has been the most genuine ally we have had in our recent history. They are helping us to develop our nation in areas relevant to our overall economic advancement. Small economies have no use for big fancy buildings. These have little impact on the development of the nation, these are SYMBOLS of a developed nation but do not aid in a country's development in the long run plus they cost money to maintain further draining our finances. Remember the millions that needed to be spent to restore the National Stadium?
You want to make an impact you need to develop the nation's human capital, tiny bermuda, tiny singapore have a highly skilled labour force and financial sector, Taiwan has a highly developed IT industry. We should be studying these countries closely for clues as to what direction our nation should go in to reach industrialized status. Taiwan is giving us scholarships to learn in their country and bring that valuable knowledge home. They are role models for developing nations; to not embrace that is to be very short sighted.
Who better to know how to handle yourself in a world where you are bullied by larger economies than Taiwan? They can teach us a thing or two.
Now I'm tired of responding to a bunch of Anonymous on this forum who keep saying, "You're wrong!" or "China is better!" and you've given absolutely no reason whatsoever for your stance.
You tell them Zeigy.
Why do Lucians expect somebody else to build hospitals and "cultural" centers for them?
Why do they judge nations for their reluctance or willingness to
something for this island?
When are Lucians going to stop living from international handouts?
Zeigy, you made a long essay, but you have not answered the most essential point. You said nobody have given any reasons for preferring China, maybe you have not read the contributions because that is not true. You also spoke about ulterior motives, as if all countries who help us eg China all have ulterior motives, and taiwan do not have any, that is also not true because all countries who help us, one way or the other, there is something they expect in return . Why the U.S.A do not seek help from Taiwan? "Small countries do not need big fancy buildings" Explain to the world what you mean by that, because only a mad person will make such a statement. You mean with a growing population like we have in St Lucia we should always be cramp up in small inadequate buildings, we should not be building for the future? Let us look at the development we have in St Lucia. We have an international airport, our terminal is proving to be to small, we just built a state of the art prison, it is also to small, we have the Castries to Gros Islet highway it is also proven inadequate, our main hospital is to small. All government offices are to small or in adequate. So i cannot understand what you are talking about. You must also explain to the world, what you mean by saying that Taiwan "help us develop our nation in areas relevant to our overall economic advancement" that is just nice words with little meaning, give us examples. I know the Taiwanese are planting flowers at Union, how may farmers will be able to make a sustainable living from growing flowers? They also have a fish pond there, how many farmers will every be able to take on fish faming? They are also into tissue culture, that is a little to late because the banana industry is dying in St Lucia. You said Taiwan is giving us scholarships, so was China. You said we can learn from the model of development of Taiwan. China is one of the most prosperous country in the world so there are many things we can learn from them also. When you finish, say people is not giving you any reasons.
Now this is the kind of response I like. You found the holes in my argument :), however, I still maintain that Taiwan is more relevant to our economic outlook.
True, China is a prosperous nation and we could learn a lot from them but, unfortunately, China is also forcing us to take sides.
Okay, so far the only help China has given is to erect costly buildings and restaurants. The restaurants were apparently supposed to help bring in an influx of Chinese tourists. This has not happened. Now, Taiwan has promised to develop our tourism industry, agriculture, and is building IT learning centres (the crux of the Taiwanese Economic Miracle). Perhaps St. Lucia has a competitive advantage in Information Technology so if we develop that sector and become a world leader there, we could reduce poverty and end our dependence on tourism. Foreigners, as appreciative as I am of their foreign dollars, have taken enough of our beaches and virgin pastures.
Our problems in St. Lucia right now cannot be solved with money alone. We need knowledge and I believe the Taiwanese are better equipped to impart that knowledge onto us.
China's just pissed with us because they've reached their Lewisian Turning Point (named after and developed by Sir Arthur Lewis), causing labour to become more expensive and causing inflation in China. So there! Even though we don't have diplomatic relations with China anymore we are still sticking it to them!
Zeigy, a long essay, with little said, you should be a politician, nice long flowery speech,with little meaning. First you said the only help China can give is are big buildings and restaurants, that is not true because just like Taiwan can teach us to be prosperous, China who is more prosperous than them can also teach us. None of the big buildings China is giving us are useless, we is very much in need of the hospitals, stadium and cultural center etc. This is the first time i am hearing that the restaurants were for Chinese tourist. I have spoken about the agriculture the Taiwanese are undertaking in St lucia. I will disagree with you, knowledge alone CANNOT solve problems in St Lucia, we have enough knowledgeable people in St Lucia. These educated people are marginalized, once they come back home they are placed in a big paying job, that is the last we hear from them. We need money to develope programs, that is where the $100 million from the Chinese would have come handy.
China is the world's biggest slave master today and we don't like slavery, modern or past.
You are a slave at your home, you slavishly labour for the monthly or fortnightly pay packet to take home. I saw a slave bus heading to sandals and coco resorts just today. Don't go all the way to find the slaves you are looking for, they are in most super j outlets, gas stations, and the government watchmen.
remember the mote in your own eye
Yes we worrying about slavery in China, but we fail to see how people work for between $100- $200 a week in St Lucia as slavery. Ask the young ladies in St Lucia how much money they work for.
Just shut-up and move to China, will you?
You know there was a time China was so prosperous, students were receiving applications from work places for jobs upon graduation, instead of the students sending the applications. Modern China is noway close to to the old way of living as the old China. As long as you as a citizen do not get involved in the politics of the country, you are o.k.
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