i agree to what;"laborian" said.. an article devoid of substance...anyway my take on the vigie airport will forever be the same.. vigie has outlived its usefulness.. much like canefield airport in dominica which is closed down in recent yrs.. i rather see this strip of land be utilised as a planned touristic & beautification zone.. we have never had a planned developed zone in the history of this island lets make vigie that new staple...
a private high end jet service in my opinion would not be viable in the long run..but rather the expansion of castries city to vigie area in conjunction with conference hotel plants which can accommodate hundreds of visitors is the most viable and operational use of this derelict airport.. too bad i have yet to see any gov with visionaries in their midst to coach the way forward for our islands development.. Sir John had a little vision but Kenny & King has never shown that in my best judgement..
the airport should be turned into a facility for private jets and charters as well as a flying school and site seeing tours i also though building a terminal on the other side was a good idea as well. why we could also build a ferry dock an join the two as one facility.
So what happens,not if, but when there's another hurricane Tomas? How will tourists go home, how will they get to Vieux-Fort. The seas are always rough after a hurricane, how will they bridge the north and south?
How about fast train and bigger hyways? Until then, I think Vigie should stay.
It's expensive to maintain an AirPort. Reason why UVF should have been renovated since 2010 with the new terminal and reroute all regional flights to uvf and make vigie into a nice develop area.
Coming from the City of Castries and traveling towards the Vigie Airport, with the row of grape-trees, the cemetery, and the Caribbean Sea in the background, makes that area one of the most senic beach-fronts in the Caribbean. Commercializing it and blocking that million dollar view with buildings would be a mistake. So, develop Castries instead; tear down those dilapedated buildings and erect new ones. Leave VG alone.
Looks like GFL Charles Airport will have to close itself down since no Government seems to have the balls or the vision to do it. A private, high-end jet service a this airstrip is a no-no. Why would a high-flier want to come this far south to park his jet when he has so many better options at northern airports? And to keep this airport open just in case Hewannora gets flooded again, is nonsense as this airport is no more protected from extreme weather effects than Hewanorra. I say close it down. It's cheaper to keep it closed than to keep it open.
St.lucia is blessed with 2 airports. Take your time before you close anything. Maybe keep Vigie open with less staff less hours keep your options open. When the new roadway is developed lets start talking about closing not before.
If the main party involved in the decision making could NOT be contacted, or did not avail himself or herself for any specifics, you want the man to fabricate data or information for you beyond telling you about the cutbacks in use?
Isn't that development newsworthy of and in itself?
Micah (like all journalists)is a decision maker. But generally he feeds readers with crap whereas he ought to remain objective, less speculative, when he writes. A good reporter gives facts. The current article does a deservice to readers and makes a mockery of good journalism.
Central Castries is so choked up the next best place for expansion is towards Sans Soucis and Vigie. In event the GFL Charles airport ceases to exist, GOSL should be invesitgating alternative plans for all this land and entertain ideas from designers and planners. It is time we put our design professionals and urban designers to work. Some have Masters degrees and can't even get work.
never will i understand the so called intelligent people in this country, especially those who say things about people yet afraid to identify themselves.
to the anonymous bloggers who believe that Micah writes speculation and that this particular article on the Vigie Airport makes a mockery of good journalism, i say to this blogger listen up.
Good journalism is all about "speculation" when the authorities refuse to avail themselves to be questioned by journalists. That is how things get done. Through speculation the authorities are forced to come out of the woodwork and speak.
Contrary to what bloggers think about Micah, I still maintain he is the only journalist in this country who is fearless, will go out there and say it as it is, will force the authorities and if speculation is required to do just that he is the only one brave enough to do so. Once again i take my hat off to the gentleman and encourages him to continue in his endeavour.
Micah is doing something right, hence the criticism, which if examine is baseless. Just look at the comments emanating from this article. Some are outrageous some are intelligent observations. would that have happened if the story was not published. if Micah had decided not to submit this article would any of you bloggers know anything about what is going down at SLASPA.
Micah has done his job it is now you the bloggers, citizens of this country to see to it that the right thing is done about VIGIE, it is for you the blogger to get into the fray and demand from government they exact plans for VIGIE. Micah has done his job, as always.
This is the first time i am blogging. I am forced to do so based on the mindless attacks on Micah George.
First off let me say that i agree fully with the Dollin Guy. To all those who say the article has no facts i challeng you. let us examine the article paragraph by paragraph.
The first paragraph talks about the meeting the vendors had with vigie airport officials. This is factual.
The second paragragp talks about the airport forever being a topic of discussion. This is factual. The third says the airport has been discussed in the media, this is factual. the fourth paragragh describes the airport as once a very busy airport for regional travellers, this is factual. the next paragraph talks about what the meeting was all about, this is factual.
The next paragraph and the next and the next talk about the reduction in economic activity at the air port, that is factual.
The last three paragraphs are on the button so to speak, it is factual. the guy could not get airport officials to speak to the issue at hand, speculation has been rife about the airport closure, and a warning from the journalist himself. What then is the hell wrong with the article?
The article is accurate, well written, and is factual from start to finish. Again a masterpiece from the only journalist in the country i admire.
Keep doing what you doing, young man. They caaa stop you.
Very good discourse on what might be an historic decision; we need more.Keep working the story...Micha.Now here is my take:A Casino for high rollers.They come in ,they bet their millions,and they fly out.The gov't collect the taxes and put the money into EDUCATION!
its not so easy my naive-above-blogger!a casino? really? 2nd, i think the article iiis factual! 3rd, why even speculate closing vigie, when 2 airports has provided st. lucia with a competitive edge on so many levels? 4th, if it were financially logical to close off vigie, why not put a strip of public housing for middle income earners? you know, like a high-end CDC. that strip could take 1000 homes, 3 stories up- and at $600 a month, thats 6,000,000 gross monthly. a loan for 5 million could build the project, an interest rate of 10% could pay for the project in mere years. we need housing St. Lucia. parents, children, grandchildren and great-grandchildren are being raised in the same houses. more stoves, more fidges, more electricity bills, more COURTS, more linmore. the economy could grow by such initiatives. A LITTLE OFF THE TOPIC.. BUT.. governments tend to underestimate the purchasing power of st. lucians as a viable means for economic growth.. I got my manifesto.. SLP..UWP.. Holla!!!
thats the 1st time i am hearing about an idea like this in replacing the airport as a new CDC type of apartment blocks to house st.lucian tenants..not a bad idea ..anon above... but more can be had in that very expensive strip of land at vigie.. i mean a beach on your doorsteps & u will limit it for only apt housing.? economies are runned by high end investments.. vigie has the capacity to output 10's of millions annually .. liat is down to 6 airplanes a day i mean come on.. must we take a page from CANEFIELD AIRPORT in DOM.. the airport has outlived its usefulness ppl.. its not business sense to keep an airport open when it takes money to maintain it from the larger airport in the south.. yes vigie is operating @ a lost ...
the most logical thing to do with vigie is 2 closed it down with a bright new vision and investment to turn that part of castries into a super development... vigie is perfect, beach, sea views, flat land, proximity to the city, harbour, highway..the best brains can think of a million ideas to replace a derelict airport ..hurricane or not vigie has no business remaining opened, operating annually at a loss .. if vigie was owned by a private entity i am certain they would either sell it or try to attract better use of their investments in other ways..
Well said - thinktank. Vigie MUST be developed commercially - hotels, costly semi high-rise apartments like a mini Rio de Janeiro, banks, elegant shops, and restuarants, etc. Let's bring some beauty and elegance to St Lucia and attract rich high rollers and make Castries as sophisticated as Martinique.
"... Let's bring some beauty and elegance to St Lucia...." -------------------------------------------------------------- The Vigie Airport and its surroundings is already the most beautiful and elegant place in St.Lucia. You want to make it more beautiful by building high-rise apartments? 90% of St.Lucia is undeveloped and you want to put apartments on that stripe of land? I think it's time for your annual mental check-up.
90% of st. lucia may de undeveloped but Castries is the one of the focal points of this island. think of how many people work in castries but live far from the city. why not provide housing for these individuals. We tend to place less emphasis on st. lucians themselves and focus on attracting tourists (we have enough hotels, motels, and guess houses, dude!). give st. lucians something. the only g'ment housing available in Castries is the overbooked CDC. Let's cater to the middle income earners.
and the person who said.."Vigie MUST be developed commercially - hotels, costly semi high-rise apartments like a mini Rio de Janeiro, banks, elegant shops, and restuarants" Don't you think st. lucia has enough hotels, restaurants, etc already? would these developments you propose significantly attract tourists to our shores? "honey let's go to st. lucia.. there's this one place with a high rise like in RIO!" Really!! and these investments only takes money out of st. lucia, and subjects our citizens to slavery-type labour, and relatively no benefit for st. lucia.
that strip can house thousands of apt. housing to st. lucians for real. Maybe a shopping strip in between, but housing would make absolute sense. you only reside in st. lucia if you live in the CDCs, grass street, grave yard, conway or if your grandparent has a house somewhere in castries. so it will never be a reality for a lawyer working in castries to live minutes away from his/her work? Or a teacher at the RC Boys' School to take a cool walk to work on a morning? that strip can take more than 1000 apts @9:45 and can significantly expand Castries... for the benefit of st. lucians (not just tourists!!)and how about a sub-police station along the strip? ya'll wanna give tourists everything.. they got enough here for them. DO YOU KNOW HOW MANY MILLION OF DOLLARS ST. LUCIANS CONTRIBUTE TO OUR ECONOMY... EVERY MONTH??? RENT, UTILITY BILLS, COURTS BILLS, GROCERY BILLS... THAT'S MONEY THAT WILL BE CIRCULATING THROUGH OUR ECONOMY AS A RESULT.
to Coby Robinson Have you ever heard of the FAA?? (Federal Aviation Authority - a USA based government entity.)
Years ago they ADVISED the St Lucian government (at the time) to close the Vigie Airport for many, many reasons (PANAM, BWIA and American Airlines were landing there at the time) - here are some of them: the placement of TWO gas stations within close proximity of the airfield (one of which has since closed), the location of domestic buildings (Vigie and l'Anse Road), the length of the runway - these are only a few - out of ten reasons!!
No one took heed!!
As for your praise of Micah and his "homework" - Micahs' proverbial slip is showing in his shoddy research of this story (and others past!). Frankly, he deserves no praise for this story, in that it has no substance, no research, and is a weak story - painful for me to read.
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Micah!
You wrote so much only to repeat "speculation" about the Airport? I think you could do better and demand that you take heed.
Once more the immense incompetence of Micah is demonstrated. An article devoid of facts only speculation, and it is called "News"
i agree to what;"laborian" said.. an article devoid of substance...anyway my take on the vigie airport will forever be the same.. vigie has outlived its usefulness.. much like canefield airport in dominica which is closed down in recent yrs.. i rather see this strip of land be utilised as a planned touristic & beautification zone.. we have never had a planned developed zone in the history of this island lets make vigie that new staple...
a private high end jet service in my opinion would not be viable in the long run..but rather the expansion of castries city to vigie area in conjunction with conference hotel plants which can accommodate hundreds of visitors is the most viable and operational use of this derelict airport.. too bad i have yet to see any gov with visionaries in their midst to coach the way forward for our islands development.. Sir John had a little vision but Kenny & King has never shown that in my best judgement..
the airport should be turned into a facility for private jets and charters as well as a flying school and site seeing tours i also though building a terminal on the other side was a good idea as well. why we could also build a ferry dock an join the two as one facility.
So what happens,not if, but when there's another hurricane Tomas? How will tourists go home, how will they get to Vieux-Fort. The seas are always rough after a hurricane, how will they bridge the north and south?
How about fast train and bigger hyways? Until then, I think Vigie should stay.
It's expensive to maintain an AirPort. Reason why UVF should have been renovated since 2010 with the new terminal and reroute all regional flights to uvf and make vigie into a nice develop area.
I agree with you but we have to have better connection from north to south.
Coming from the City of Castries and traveling towards the Vigie Airport, with the row of grape-trees, the cemetery, and the Caribbean Sea in the background, makes that area one of the most senic beach-fronts in the Caribbean.
Commercializing it and blocking that million dollar view with buildings would be a mistake. So, develop Castries instead; tear down those dilapedated buildings and erect new ones. Leave VG alone.
Only a foolish and incompetent government would close Vigie.
Looks like GFL Charles Airport will have to close itself down since no Government seems to have the balls or the vision to do it. A private, high-end jet service a this airstrip is a no-no. Why would a high-flier want to come this far south to park his jet when he has so many better options at northern airports? And to keep this airport open just in case Hewannora gets flooded again, is nonsense as this airport is no more protected from extreme weather effects than Hewanorra. I say close it down. It's cheaper to keep it closed than to keep it open.
Close your mouth!
St.lucia is blessed with 2 airports. Take your time before you close anything. Maybe keep Vigie open with less staff less hours keep your options open. When the new roadway is developed lets start talking about closing not before.
My God! Micah is not a decision maker.
If the main party involved in the decision making could NOT be contacted, or did not avail himself or herself for any specifics, you want the man to fabricate data or information for you beyond telling you about the cutbacks in use?
Isn't that development newsworthy of and in itself?
Lucians make me sh t.
Micah (like all journalists)is a decision maker. But generally he feeds readers with crap whereas he ought to remain objective, less speculative, when he writes. A good reporter gives facts. The current article does a deservice to readers and makes a mockery of good journalism.
Central Castries is so choked up the next best place for expansion is towards Sans Soucis and Vigie. In event the GFL Charles airport ceases to exist, GOSL should be invesitgating alternative plans for all this land and entertain ideas from designers and planners. It is time we put our design professionals and urban designers to work. Some have Masters degrees and can't even get work.
never will i understand the so called intelligent people in this country, especially those who say things about people yet afraid to identify themselves.
to the anonymous bloggers who believe that Micah writes speculation and that this particular article on the Vigie Airport makes a mockery of good journalism, i say to this blogger listen up.
Good journalism is all about "speculation" when the authorities refuse to avail themselves to be questioned by journalists. That is how things get done. Through speculation the authorities are forced to come out of the woodwork and speak.
Contrary to what bloggers think about Micah, I still maintain he is the only journalist in this country who is fearless, will go out there and say it as it is, will force the authorities and if speculation is required to do just that he is the only one brave enough to do so. Once again i take my hat off to the gentleman and encourages him to continue in his endeavour.
Micah is doing something right, hence the criticism, which if examine is baseless. Just look at the comments emanating from this article. Some are outrageous some are intelligent observations. would that have happened if the story was not published. if Micah had decided not to submit this article would any of you bloggers know anything about what is going down at SLASPA.
Micah has done his job it is now you the bloggers, citizens of this country to see to it that the right thing is done about VIGIE, it is for you the blogger to get into the fray and demand from government they exact plans for VIGIE. Micah has done his job, as always.
This is the first time i am blogging. I am forced to do so based on the mindless attacks on Micah George.
First off let me say that i agree fully with the Dollin Guy. To all those who say the article has no facts i challeng you. let us examine the article paragraph by paragraph.
The first paragraph talks about the meeting the vendors had with vigie airport officials. This is factual.
The second paragragp talks about the airport forever being a topic of discussion. This is factual. The third says the airport has been discussed in the media, this is factual. the fourth paragragh describes the airport as once a very busy airport for regional travellers, this is factual. the next paragraph talks about what the meeting was all about, this is factual.
The next paragraph and the next and the next talk about the reduction in economic activity at the air port, that is factual.
The last three paragraphs are on the button so to speak, it is factual. the guy could not get airport officials to speak to the issue at hand, speculation has been rife about the airport closure, and a warning from the journalist himself. What then is the hell wrong with the article?
The article is accurate, well written, and is factual from start to finish. Again a masterpiece from the only journalist in the country i admire.
Keep doing what you doing, young man. They caaa stop you.
Very good discourse on what might be an historic decision; we need more.Keep working the story...Micha.Now here is my take:A Casino for high rollers.They come in ,they bet their millions,and they fly out.The gov't collect the taxes and put the money into EDUCATION!
its not so easy my naive-above-blogger!a casino? really? 2nd, i think the article iiis factual! 3rd, why even speculate closing vigie, when 2 airports has provided st. lucia with a competitive edge on so many levels? 4th, if it were financially logical to close off vigie, why not put a strip of public housing for middle income earners? you know, like a high-end CDC. that strip could take 1000 homes, 3 stories up- and at $600 a month, thats 6,000,000 gross monthly. a loan for 5 million could build the project, an interest rate of 10% could pay for the project in mere years. we need housing St. Lucia. parents, children, grandchildren and great-grandchildren are being raised in the same houses. more stoves, more fidges, more electricity bills, more COURTS, more linmore. the economy could grow by such initiatives. A LITTLE OFF THE TOPIC.. BUT.. governments tend to underestimate the purchasing power of st. lucians as a viable means for economic growth.. I got my manifesto.. SLP..UWP.. Holla!!!
thats the 1st time i am hearing about an idea like this in replacing the airport as a new CDC type of apartment blocks to house st.lucian tenants..not a bad idea ..anon above... but more can be had in that very expensive strip of land at vigie.. i mean a beach on your doorsteps & u will limit it for only apt housing.? economies are runned by high end investments.. vigie has the capacity to output 10's of millions annually .. liat is down to 6 airplanes a day i mean come on.. must we take a page from CANEFIELD AIRPORT in DOM.. the airport has outlived its usefulness ppl.. its not business sense to keep an airport open when it takes money to maintain it from the larger airport in the south.. yes vigie is operating @ a lost ...
the most logical thing to do with vigie is 2 closed it down with a bright new vision and investment to turn that part of castries into a super development... vigie is perfect, beach, sea views, flat land, proximity to the city, harbour, highway..the best brains can think of a million ideas to replace a derelict airport ..hurricane or not vigie has no business remaining opened, operating annually at a loss .. if vigie was owned by a private entity i am certain they would either sell it or try to attract better use of their investments in other ways..
Well said - thinktank.
Vigie MUST be developed commercially - hotels, costly semi high-rise apartments like a mini Rio de Janeiro, banks, elegant shops, and restuarants, etc. Let's bring some beauty and elegance to St Lucia and attract rich high rollers and make Castries as sophisticated as Martinique.
"... Let's bring some beauty and elegance to St Lucia...."
--------------------------------------------------------------
The Vigie Airport and its surroundings is already the most beautiful and elegant place in St.Lucia.
You want to make it more beautiful by building high-rise apartments? 90% of St.Lucia is undeveloped and you want to put apartments on that stripe of land?
I think it's time for your annual mental check-up.
GREAT IDEA!!! Anon @ 9:23PM.
90% of st. lucia may de undeveloped but Castries is the one of the focal points of this island. think of how many people work in castries but live far from the city. why not provide housing for these individuals. We tend to place less emphasis on st. lucians themselves and focus on attracting tourists (we have enough hotels, motels, and guess houses, dude!). give st. lucians something. the only g'ment housing available in Castries is the overbooked CDC. Let's cater to the middle income earners.
and the person who said.."Vigie MUST be developed commercially - hotels, costly semi high-rise apartments like a mini Rio de Janeiro, banks, elegant shops, and restuarants" Don't you think st. lucia has enough hotels, restaurants, etc already? would these developments you propose significantly attract tourists to our shores? "honey let's go to st. lucia.. there's this one place with a high rise like in RIO!" Really!! and these investments only takes money out of st. lucia, and subjects our citizens to slavery-type labour, and relatively no benefit for st. lucia.
that strip can house thousands of apt. housing to st. lucians for real. Maybe a shopping strip in between, but housing would make absolute sense. you only reside in st. lucia if you live in the CDCs, grass street, grave yard, conway or if your grandparent has a house somewhere in castries. so it will never be a reality for a lawyer working in castries to live minutes away from his/her work? Or a teacher at the RC Boys' School to take a cool walk to work on a morning? that strip can take more than 1000 apts @9:45 and can significantly expand Castries... for the benefit of st. lucians (not just tourists!!)and how about a sub-police station along the strip? ya'll wanna give tourists everything.. they got enough here for them. DO YOU KNOW HOW MANY MILLION OF DOLLARS ST. LUCIANS CONTRIBUTE TO OUR ECONOMY... EVERY MONTH??? RENT, UTILITY BILLS, COURTS BILLS, GROCERY BILLS... THAT'S MONEY THAT WILL BE CIRCULATING THROUGH OUR ECONOMY AS A RESULT.
nice @ November 28, 2012 6:39 AM
to Coby Robinson
Have you ever heard of the FAA?? (Federal Aviation Authority - a USA based government entity.)
Years ago they ADVISED the St Lucian government (at the time) to close the Vigie Airport for many, many reasons (PANAM, BWIA and American Airlines were landing there at the time) - here are some of them: the placement of TWO gas stations within close proximity of the airfield (one of which has since closed), the location of domestic buildings (Vigie and l'Anse Road), the length of the runway - these are only a few - out of ten reasons!!
No one took heed!!
As for your praise of Micah and his "homework" - Micahs' proverbial slip is showing in his shoddy research of this story (and others past!). Frankly, he deserves no praise for this story, in that it has no substance, no research, and is a weak story - painful for me to read.
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