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SLP is equally is as depraved as without a moral compass as the set of despicable reprobates and no good SOBs it railed against just to replace them.
...Did the heart transplanted in Dick Cheney's bordy came from a BLACK MAN?
..rather enlightening: CL101...
Bla bla bla come on man any mean to get out of the privy. Uk have asked the govts to make their own Arrangements. It was my AG Nikolaus Frederick Who sort the opinion.
I must say that I literally hate Kenny Anthony for the evil and wickedness that he has brought upon my country St. Lucia.
And if he dies right now; I will be very happy.
Only idiots who have especially no consciousness of the LASTING impact of bypassing constitutional safeguards would dare to trivialize the irreversible damages caused by this SLP character. What an imposter!
This is really a Prime Minister from Hell.
Kenny is complete satan.
Why don't you do some actual research on the decision of the court from a legal perspective. The decision of the Chief Justice was a sound legal decision .
further more section 41(7) of the Constitution is designed to create an exception to the referendum rule; whether it relates to the Court of Appeal or the Privy Council.
If the decision is wrong then it means that the government can abolish the Court of Appeal without a referendum which is a much scarier prospect given that our people don't make use of the privy council in the way they do the Court of Appeal. Come on, its time to have a true and intelligent discussion on this issue rather than politicizing it at every turn.
@ 3:29 AM. Nice try. Are you dumb or what? Two wrongs do not make a right.
Sophist arguments like the one proffered here serve only to pull the wool over the eyes of the gullible.
You see, in either case, according to your extremely sophist argument, you are simply making a real case for bypassing the democratic will of the people. That is all you are doing.
Either way, this COMMUNIST dictatorial exercise of power given by the voters is being used VERY MUCH against them. There is price to be paid for such chicanery!
Judges, from time immemorial will read in even parts of the Koran in a settlement, if it suits their whims and fancies, to justify any action they want to take.
Kenny, as is his wont, is skirting the political niceties of having the people be informed and decide their future. Is it too costly? Is it more costly than the profligacy of wasting $700 million dollars with nothing to show for it?
And what's it with the damn hurry anyway?
All that talk is plain symbolic manipulation of low-information processing SLP en rouge-nistas.
In either case, bypassing the referendum renders the whole sordid affair reeking of Cuban-styled dictatorial behaviour a la Fidel Castro.
Fool me once; shame on you. Fool me twice; shame on me.
Don't keep fooling yourself. Enough of that.
Simply put, Kenny can NEVER EVER again be trusted!
PS: No more small-minded quibberdick politics please!
@1:30
I see you've not understood my argument neither have you taken time to actually read the sections of the constitution in question. Typical myopic view.
The section in the constitution is specifically designed to create an exception to the need for a referendum. I didn't put it there, the framers of the constitution did.
Simply put its either the section refers to the Court of Appeal or the Privy Council.
Given that the Court of Appeal hears upwards of 100 appeals a year and the privy council has not delivered a judgment from Saint Lucia in almost fie year with our people have greater access to the Court of Appeal than the Privy Council.
Why should the parliament then have the power to abolish a court which the people actually have access to with no difficulty and yet it doesn't create an outrage. On the other hand the Court will the citizen hardly makes use of is the one protected by a referendum rule.
Again do some objective research and stop taking this myopic view based on the personal opinion of Kenny Anthony. The issue is much bigger than him.
Stop the circumlocution. If you are not SO dumb as to be able to fathom the basis for MY argument, KNOCK OFF ALL THE tosh up there, and answer this very simple question:
WHY THE HELL BOTH YOU AND KENNY ARE OF SO AFRAID OF THE eminently MORE DEMOCRATIC PROCESS, WHICH IS THE REFERENDUM?
Again, please, please, please, no more quibberdick arguments like those tossed above. Those are for public consumption, for the benefit of simplistic thinkers and for the SLP's captive critical mass of simpletons -- the en rouge-nistas. Those arguments too, are becoming rather awkwardly boring.
First of all my arguments have never been that there should or should not be a referendum. My argument was a simple analysis of the Attorney General's Reference and the decision of the Court of Appeal on what actually obtains in the Constitution. It is as simple as that. Saying that the parliament has power to abolish the Court of Appeal but not the Privy Council is what was in issue.
I have never been a fan of Kenny Anthony but it is myopic to suggest that the issue of the CCJ as all about him when in fact the first government to announce a shift to the CCJ was the last UWP administration, who themselves drafted the Attorney General's reference.
If we truly want a referendum them its time to analyze the issue of the CCJ in a debate that transcends politics and it cannot remain in an ignorant place of who likes Kenny Anthony or not. This seems to be where you are fixated never mind that the Privy Council judges have themselves said that it is time for us to go.
To in order to save face, Governments are to ride roughshod over the rising tide of opposition to the electorate being dragged into an arrangement that the people do not want? Yes?
Was there any categorical statement made by either the UWP or the SLP in any pre-election campaign that used language or verbiage that said the equivalent:
"If this party is voted into power, in this forthcoming election, it is going to be understood that the people will have voted to join the CCJ".
Was that made abundantly clear?
If not, then the party spokespersons were OBVIOUSLY and DELIBERATELY ENGAGED IN DUPLICITY.
Withholding of such critical information makes you what in a court of law?
You see, making such declarations is what democratic leadership behaviour does. That is what OPENNESS means. That is what good governance is all about.
Any of the many quibberdick arguments so far advanced for the rationalization of such outrageous DUPLICITY, constitutes a very grave and a damn 3rd-world tin-pot dictator insult.
Both political parties have publicly stated their intention to join the CCJ at various intervals. This to my mind is the responsibility of any government in light of the fact that all indications show that the English desire that we leave the privy council.
I see no reason why we should be fighting to maintain an appeal to a pre slave emancipation and colonial institution whose judges time and again said to us that we should go.
Caribbean countries make up the last vestige of post colonial independent nations who maintain that link despite the fact that pur judges have been highly regarded in the Commonwealth.
Again its OK to have a referendum but let's educate ourselves on the truth and not on narrowinded inaccurate perspectives based on personal political opinions. The issue transcends these things.
So you have finally come around to agreeing first, that the CCJ issue has been forced-fed down the throats to the supine happy-go-lucky Saint Lucians then?
Secondly, education of this largely ignorant and non-reading, Country and Western dancing as a US-Red-Necks-in-Black-skin population is necessary?
No I don't agree with that. Discussion on the ccj commenced in the Caribbean in 1901. There had been no force feeding. Its a question on joining the discussion from an objective and informed position.
An article such as this with so many inaccuracies undermines the call for a referendum as this is what is being fed to the people.
As citizens let us do some reading and inform ourselves of the truth and then join the discussion as the constitution makes provision for widespread public consultation whether by referendum or not. Then we can make an honest case for a referendum
So why is it that the SLP's so-called constitutional law luminary has chosen to skirt the LEGITIMATE issues of constitutional democracy and finds itself LITERALLY HIDING behind a so-called CONSTITUTIONAL LOOPHOLE?
Obviously, the people have not been informed. Obviously, you as spokesperson and that character ARE AFRAID OF the VOX POPULI, the voice of the people.
Hey, for such an important national issue, there are mechanisms and precedents in CONSTITUTIONAL LAW in place that skirt the issue of tying a referendum to national elections.
For example, a special plebiscite can be held to deal only with the one CCJ issue, WITHOUT THE FAILURE TO GAIN THE NECESSARY VOTES FOR ACCEPTANCE, BY CONSTITUTIONAL CONVENTION, again by constitutional convention, RESULTING IN A TOPPLING OF THE PROPOSING GOVERNMENT.
A sitting government might even win, by the deceptive wording of the referendum question.
Since the MO or modus operandi of SLP has TO DATE, been to emulate, i.e., to equal and excel the duplicity of the last administration, I would not put that past this current administration.
Honourable ladies and gentlemen, it is well worth a try. Don't you think?
Again you remain fixated on Kenny Anthony when in fact it was the previous administration who started the process.
For clarification purposes lets look at the history of delinking from the Privy Council. All former Commonwealth countries used the Privy Council a their final Court of Appeal at one point. That was over 40 countries independent countries at the height of its influence. Today only 13 countries do so and 10 of them are from the Caribbean.
Not one country who abolished the Privy council did so by referendum. These include Australia, New Zealand, India, Bangladesh and many more. There was never been a referendum to do so.
The reason for that is simple. The institution does not belong to us. When we became independent we only used it because the British government gave us permission to do so. It is an agreement between 2 governments. Once that agreement is no longer in existence you have no right to use the institution.
Again I am not afraid for opposed to a referendum but it unhelpful to simply say that PMs in the Caribbean are dictator for adopting a process that all former commonwealth countries adopted.
Further more regardless of the outcome of a referendum by the end of next year at least 3 more Caribbean countries would have abolished the Privy Council. Person in the UK are already saying that it makes no sense to fund an institution for the sake of a few small Caribbean islands. The Privy council will be abolished whether we like it or not. Then what will we do.
ITs time to engage in the process and educate ourselves so we are not left behind.
Your very first statement betrays a low information processor. Here you are arguing "process" over substance. Is there a need to go any further with this? Hell no! Goodbye!
Yes run away because the substance is where you are lost. Your fixation on the politics gives you a myopic view. You cannot respond to the substance of the argument. Its not about Kenny Anthony but thats where you wanted to stay.
2:11
Bravo! Great form!
You conducted a gentlemanly debate and I leraned from both the substance and the impromptu process.
Your sparring opposing view made a coupla good challenges but your answers provided even deeper clarity.
I learned -as is the purpose of blogging
I am disappointed in the rude exit of the opposing view-
Perhaps he /she realized that the sidebar (Kenny } was mute -as you indicated earlier on.
Anywho / your OBJECTIVITY won the day, in much the same form as Wellington trounced Bonaparte @ Waterloo
Thanks for a lesson of substance and a template for engaging in debates.
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